Thursday, June 29, 2006

Top 25 Heavyweights (As of July, 2006)

By JE Grant

There are only a few moves in this month’s list. Headliner Calvin Brock took a tough win over previously undefeated Timor Ibragimov and had to show some resolve in doing so. I found it surprising that many bloggers criticized his performance for being boring. Yes there were too many clinches and few booming exchanges, but Brock is proving himself solid in nearly all departments. He’s a solid “B” student in all subjects, though not especially stellar in any. Any of the alphabet titlists are going to have trouble with him.

Dominick Guinn may have finally lost his big chance. He went from showing some of the talent that was evident in the early part of his career against Audley Harrison to blowing it bigtime against Tony Thompson. We just can’t figure out what happened there.

July is shaping up to be important to the future shape of the division. Williams - Skelton will likely decide which man gets a world title shot in the very near future. It is likewise the case for the S. Ibragimov – Austin eliminator. Shannon Briggs, apparently next in line for Klitschko, may be in action in July. Also scheduled for July action are Ruslan Chagaev and Jameel McCline.

Note also that many of the heavyweights below the top 25 such as Chazz Witherspoon, Alexander Dimitrenko, Paolo Vidoz, and JD Chapman will also mix it up in July.

All-in-all a solid month upcoming for the heavyweights.


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1. Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine – IBF Champion (Last month #1) Shannon Briggs in November? That’s what we’re hearing and say what you want about Klitschko but he is certainly not avoiding big hitters in defense of his title. Briggs may be past his best day but he has been active and winning.

2. Hasim Rahman, USA – WBC Champion (Last Month #2) An August date with Oleg Maskaev awaits. Rahman will have a chance to avenge the most brutal loss on his record to date. A loss in this defense means the entire heavyweight division belongs to fighters from the former Soviet bloc nations. A win means riches are on the way.

3. Serguei Liakhovich, Belarus – WBO Champion (Last month #3) If you ever hoped that promoter Don King would really strive to unify the alphabet titles you now have all the evidence you need to make an assessment. Liakhovich is scheduled to take on Kevin McBride in August. King’s other heavyweight titlist, Nicolay Valuev is for some reason not a possibility. Liakhovich beat a legitimate top guy in Brewster and now he moves to the club circuit? What gives?

4. Lamon Brewster, USA (Last month #4) While continuing to heal from eye surgery Brewster has nothing to do but wait for a doctor’s verdict. His boxing future hangs in the balance.

5. Calvin Brock, USA (Last month #6) Beating Timor Ibragimov in June was a solid step toward a title shot. Ibragimov showed talent and toughness that caused Brock to make adjustments --- and he did so smoothly. Forget the blather of the B.A.D. crew from HBO about whether he will be a major draw with his style (could the team of Lewis-Charles-Kellermen have worse chemistry?), because if he keeps winning they will come – in droves. We can’t know how he will do against Rahman or Klitschko until he climbs into the ring. What we do know is that he belongs among the elite.

6. Chris Byrd, USA (Last month #5) With seemingly nowhere to go in the heavyweight division he could have a realistic shot at the undisputed cruiserweight belt. Wonder if he’s considering it?

7. Samuel Peter, Nigeria (Last month #7) Good money and even a better opportunity awaits when he meets James Toney. Look for this fight to be his coming out party.

8. James Toney, USA (Last month #8) "Lights Out" is risking getting his lights put out when he faces Sam Peter. He gives away size (though knowing him he may pack on 20 more pounds), power (as in he has none and Peter can blow people away), and more than a decade in age. Don't be surprised if he ends up in the third row.

9. Danny Williams, England (Last month #9) Beating Matt Skelton in July will almost certainly mean a title shot. Since losing to Vitali Klitschko, Danny has proven himself resilient against pretty good opposition. No one will steamroll him including the new crop of eastern Europeans.

10. Nicolay Valuev, Russia – WBA Champion (Last month #10) Obivously no one was shocked to see Owen Beck go down in flames against the “Beast.” Charitably we can say the selection of Beck as a first defense was unfortunate. In reality, this fight had no business being called a championship bout. If we see such matchmaking as the wave of his future as a titlist, I’ll be glad that the bouts are not shown on American TV. Come on big Nick, go for the big-time and defend against fighters who have fought their way into contention.

11. John Ruiz, USA (Last month #11) The number 1 WBA contender will probably score a rematch with Valuev even if he has no intervening fights. If we could only figure out why……

12. Sultan Ibragimov, Russia (Last month #12) Ray Austin should provide a stiff test when they meet in July. Never mind that this is some kind of eliminator, it is just a solid match with two fighters who could legitimately compete for a title some day.

13. Oleg Maskaev, Uzbekistan (Last month #13) He has the opportunity to close out the long-time American stranglehold on the heavyweight championship – despite its fractured nature – against the formidable Rahman. One last chance.

14. Shannon Briggs, USA (Last month #14) Briggs has been busy enough to have earned his chance against Klitschko, but if he comes in fat (as he did his last time out), he will get out-worked and may in fact be looking up at the lights before the night is through. He has time to get ready. Only time will tell the tale. It’s still not clear if he’ll take a July tune-up.

15. Ruslan Chagaev, Uzbekistan (Last month #15) Chagaev gets chance to make a minor addition to his tough-guy reputation when he meets British journeyman Michael Sprott in July. Sprott brings a lot of rounds of experience and may provide a test.

16. Ray Austin, USA (Last month #16) The “Rainman” gets a chance to become a “Rainmaker” if he can get past Sultan Ibragimov in July. A win will gain a lock on a title shot.

17. DaVarryl Williamson, USA (Last month #18) Still basking in his May win over formerly undefeated Mike Mollo. The 37 year-old needs to make a move soon on the big guys. He doesn’t have very many big days left in the tank.

18. Fres Oquendo, USA (Last month #19) Nothing is scheduled for Oquendo since his May win over Javier Mora. He needs activity to build his stamina. He’s likely many months away from major competition.

19. Matt Skelton, England (Last month #20) He gets one more shot at the big time when he meets Danny Williams in July. A loss mean permanent relegation to the club circuit.

20. Luan Krasniqi, Germany (Last month #21) A top rating by the loopy WBO means he’ll likely get another shot at the organization’s belt. What is the love affair the organization has with Krasniqi? He has never defeated a legitimately rated top 10 fighter. Clearly there is some talent there, but he hasn’t come through in the crunch.

21. Jameel McCline, USA (Last month #22) A quick stoppage of Marcus Rhode in June was nothing more than staying active. McCline is likely being considered by someone higher on this list as a career builder opponent. That means a big payday for “Big Time.” A return to title contention? That’s another story altogether. He’ll face Terry Smith in July.

22. Tony Thompson, USA (Last month unranked) How has this man escaped notice for this long? He dropped a decision early in his career as he amassed a 28-1 (17 KOs) record. Since then he has sprinkled in wins over Zuri Lawrence and Vaughn Bean among a list of names you’ve likely never seen before. With his big win over the hot-and-cold Dominick Guinn, however, he has undoubtedly secured a solid payday.

23. Dominick Guinn, USA (Last month #17) Oops, he did it again. In losing to Tony Thompson – who was supposed to be a mere bump in the road – he has once again deflated his career. This time it may be permanent.

24. Audley Harrison, England (Last month #23) The former gold medalist returned to the win column in June by stopping Andrew Greeley. Harrison will have to turn on the activity burner and win often against all comers. Now is the time to set things right. There is no tomorrow.

25. Monte Barrett, USA (Last month #24) Has the man retired? We’re closing in on a year of inactivity and 16 months since he last won.

Prospects, fringe contenders, and others who need mentioning listed in no particular order. Don’t read the fact that they are listed here as an indication a ranking is imminent. Regular readers should also note that I’ve taken off some names that were here in months past but who still rate attention, such as Roman Greenberg and Tye Fields. I’m trying to highlight activity and when such fighters have bouts scheduled you’ll likely see them reappear:

Joe Mesi, USA (Last month #25) – Maybe I was just a little too quick to put Baby Joe back into the top 25. His win over the now 3-8 (1 KO) Stephane Tessier was troubling despite the fact that it was a shutout. Mesi was exceedingly slow, oh-so-easy to hit, and he also seemed a bit gun-shy. He’ll need to improve dramatically if he wants to be seen as a viable contender again.

Paolo Vidoz, Italy – Many viewers of this column in the boxing blogs and websites have thrown stones at me (figuratively, thankfully) for not listing the “Titanium Jaw.” The 35 year-old gets a chance to show his wares in July against the once-beaten Vladimir Virchis in defense of his European title.

Eddie Chambers, USA – My special enclave of heavyweight watchers tell me it’s time to get this 26-0 heavweight mentioned in the same breath with contenders for the throne. His June thrashing of middle-of-the-road journeyman Ed Mahone coupled with a decision over Robert Hawkins last fall, means there may be some fire under the smoke. He’s also only 24 years old. He can’t be far away from taking on a solid name fighter.

Chazz Witherspoon, USA – A TV fight on Showtime in July provides him an opportunity to showcase his abilities. Little does he know how quickly popular he can become by being impressive. America awaits a return to prominence. Is this the guy?

Alexander Dimitrenko, Ukraine –The giant, undefeated 23 year old will be return to action in July. No opponent has been announced.

Alexander Povetkin, Russia – The promising Russian broke down and stopped Livin Castillo on the Valuev-Beck undercard. Despite having only an 8-0 record, perhaps he should be the Russian with a title belt.

Timor Ibragimov, Uzbekistan – He showed a bit of skill and some heart in his loss to Calvin Brock. He also came up short in overall ability. If he can’t get some more kick in his punch, he’ll remain relegated to the second tier. Nevertheless, he’ll be tough to get past for anyone.

Gonzalo Omar Basile, Argentina – Now 23-1 (his only loss was in his pro debut), Gonzo has won 9 fights in 2006 alone. The only drawback for the 32 year-old, however, is that he has not met any heavyweight that resembles a “name” in the division. It will take big step up in opposition for us to gauge his talent.

J.D. Chapman, USA – Trained by the cerebral Jeff Mayweather (yet another Floyd Jr. relation in the game), the youngster is busy. He’ll be back in the ring in July. Though now 23-0, he has some much to learn; but at 23 years old he has some time to gain experience.

Malik Scott, USA – Set for a July date with James Walton on the Baldomir-Gatti undercard. Hopefully we see the youngster in with a stiff test soon. He’s now 24-0 (10 KOs) and has gone to decision in each of his last five bouts.

Kevin McBride, Ireland – He’s apparently a lock for Serguei Liakhovich in August. Hopefully Liakhovich ends the embarrassment early. The WBO is trying to gain respect among the alphabets. Note to WBO: This won’t do it for you. (Yes, I realize that gaining respectability among the alphabets is not an especially high bar).

Jean Francois Bergeron, Canada – A June win over Andy Sample (KO 1) doesn’t really show us much. With his name I’m assuming French is his first language. Please forgive my French --- I’m trying to convince the 32 year old that it is time to get going: Combattre une allumette importante de boxe maintenant.

Denis Boytsov, Russia – Yet another Russian star may be emerging here. The 20 year-old is now 14-0 (14 KOs). He is young enough to have plenty of time to prove he is the real thing. He is still maturing and filling out his frame. He weighed a career high 216 his last time out.

139 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tua no longer even a fringe contender? He's supposed to have an upcoming bout on the same card as Briggs.

-Phil

12:01 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Cool...Perfect timing. It's a Friday, and I'm going to print it out, have a drink, and float in the water. (I like 70's & 80's, but I HATE hot weather...Time to cool off...)

* I suppose two-ton Tua probably should be at least somewhere on the list. His activity level has been very sporadic the last few years, but he has fought less than a year ago. Anyways, I'll read it and be back...

2:54 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I know Tua is scheduled to fight again, but I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, he's off the list!!!!!

3:16 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Jason Estrada is in talks to be Oquendo's next opponent. Yes Briggs is fighting Darroll Wilson in July. Where is Vladimir Virchis? And I love the fact that Byrd is quite possibly moving down in weight to fight Bell. Hey check out Maruisz Wach. he was in a tough fight with Arthur Cook 12-1-1 until the 9th when the two got entangled and Wach was deducted a point. Cook couldn't answer the bell for the 9th and Wach was behind by a point on two judges cards, at least that is the info I got. Wach is now 11-0 (4KO) and has fought better opposition than the 14-0 Boytsov. Wach though had a much more extensive amatuer career to build upon. I was starting an article on July being a great month for the heavies and decided to stop by and catch what Mr. Grant was cooking. I guess great minds think alike, too bad J.E. that you were on the same wavelength as me, you need to turn it up if thats the case.

10:25 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Alright, alright JE...(Tua) You know me. I'm a bit partial to sub 6-foot cruisers and hvy's...lol.

As for the list, let's get started...

Damn...It's almost as if I wrote and compiled this. Scary. (* Sidenote-"Bad chemistry" with that B.A.D HBO crew indeed. The worst I've seen since a kid lit a fart in my high school chemistry class.) As for the ratings & comments...Solid. Timur however, is not what I would call '2nd-tier', but 3rd-tier. He ain't as good as his cousin. I also think one of the more promising young (30 & under) American hvy's may be Kevin Johnson. IF...We can work on developing the rest of his arsenal. Umm...Roman Greenberg should clearly be 'on the fringes' JE. I actually think that he would beat the winner of Williams-Skelton, if he has any kind of chin. He's a good boxer, decent power, young, and too fast for them. As for Mach..."Machiocre". He's not bad, but BOYTSOV has MUCH more 'upside' in my opinion. As for Boytsov's weight, he clearly did need to get a bit heavier than the 200-205 he's been at, but I don't honestly see him getting any bigger than the 220's, nor do I think he should. He may be fine even in the 2-teens. He's only a little bit over 6-feet tall (6'0-6'2" at the absolute most) but very muscular and solidly built. He doesn't really have the 'look' of a young hvy in his early 20's that hasn't quite 'filled out' yet. (Malik Scott had that look early on, but not now.) Anyways,perhaps he could add a little weight in the legs...(???)

Other than that, damn...What can I say? (I'll figure out something...Or try...lol)

11:18 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

As for the "where is Virchis" comment, a fair one. However, the winner of the Vidoz-Virches fight goes/stays in, the loser - is OUT.

11:20 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

As for Dimentrinko, he sounds/seems promising,is young and has the 'prototype size', but I have only seen one very brief clip of him. Have you really seen much of him Troy?

11:25 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

* I JUST caught the Greenberg comment JE. Fair enough. He has been relatively active though, and had a fight scheduled for July in Florida. Unfortunately, he suffered a minor/moderate injury, and had to cancel/postpone.

11:30 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I've seen some of him, nothing spectacular, he defends well, works behind his jab, and counters with overhand rights like everyone else does. I need to see more of Dimitrenko, but he's not bad/great. For Boytsov, oh hell yeah he has more potential,but Wach has accomplished more as of this moment. Didi I mention Tua is fighting in New York on the Briggs card. Wher is Tye FIelds? Ha, that joke is fighting Maurice Harris in two weeks. I am tired of this regional fighter shit. Fields step up or go away. Alexander Alekseev will be exciting you shortly Cruiser. he has some serious pop and good technigue. i saw a fight of his on youtube and wish I could've downloaded it. Greenberg over Williams huh, bold strategy, I like where you mind is at, but am still leary to claim the same boast of Greenberg's ability. I would like to see him in with Scott Gammer, tough test that would be for him. Chagaev and Sprott is a disappoint to me. Maybe he could've fought Hoffman or Koc. Oh well, he better knock Sprott out and get an American manger and promoter. Word is he isn't popular at all in Europe.

11:40 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Hmm...Yeah. (I'm also looking forward to seeing that young Italian hvy as well!) Youtube...Hmm...(I need to download/burn/swap more fights...) Alex Assielv (sic?) and there is also another guy named "Dettweiler"? As for Chagaev-Sprott, I'm 'luke-warm'. At first I was really disappointed, but the more I thought...Sprotty is a good journeymen, and Chagaev's fight with Virchis was at the very least relatively close. May not be a bad move. I mean, no MAJOR hurry with this guy (Ruslan) I suppose...

P.S-What is the latest on David Haye? I know he's a cruiser, but he's a soon-to-be hvy. What a waste of talent with Juan Carlos Gomez BTW. He could have been great at 200, and even very good at hvy. *There is an Indian cruiser from Idaho that I'm a bit curious about. Shawn Hawk. Also, Aarron Williams as well. He could possibly be an American cruiser/hvy hope in the future perhaps...(???)

12:29 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I like Matt Godfrey as far as American biys are concerned. Haye has a fight coming up with a so-so fighter. I've heard of that Indian Cruiserweight, but never seen him. You were referring to Rene Dettweiler. He was given a gift decision over former Czech amatuer hero Ondrej Pala a few months back. Dettweiler quickly went back to a guy with a losing record in his next match. Dettweiler along with Dieter and Egon Roth have a future. Have you been checking out Pianetta?

12:41 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

I think things are going to get very interesting and exciting here in 2007 and the next few years. We used to have too many 'champions', and not enough (true) contenders. Well, there are still too many 'titilists', but it looks like there is going to be alot of contenders in the near future. And those - you can NEVER have too much of. Let's just hope the promoters don't continue to severely screw this up in '07, and yes...A single WORLD champ (One world= One world champ?) would work minor miracles for not only the division - but BOXING.

12:44 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Haven't seen Pianetta yet Troy, but I dig any Italian hvy. As for Godfrey - I thought he was a cruiser? (Maybe soon to be hvy...) How is our buddy B.J Flores doing? I really like him at 200. Damn...That would be a pretty big fight with him and Jirov in Arizona Troy!

12:46 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW-I wish Tarver would move up to cruiser...

12:47 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

* I think Estrada has a good chance of becoming a good '2nd-echelon' guy down the road, but nothing more...

12:52 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Godfrey is a cruiser, I thought you were referring to Cruiser there. Jirov won't agree to fight Flores anymore due to their sparring seesions. Estrada will be another Clay Bey down the road, but with more victories and money. And I truly believe that Alekseev and Povetkin will be the deciding factors on who will be the one true champ down the road.

1:30 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Haven't seen Aleeksev, but I like Povetkin. But (as you know) I really like this Boytsov kid as well, and am intrigued a bit with Dimentrinkos size & youth. Also - we can't forget Sergei and Vlad are still relatively young for hvy's, as they have both just turned 30. Sultan? Good and exciting, but haven't seen enough of him yet. And he's no 'spring chicken' exactly either. Brock? Good and solid...But only good and solid. And over-30 as well. Of the young guys I have seen, I'm most impressed with Boytsov as far as long-term potential, but he is SO young, and hasn't even fought C-level guys yet...

P.S-Interesting about Flores & Jirov. (But that would be a good 6-figure payday for those two Troy! Errgh...)

Catch ya' later mate...

*BB*

1:55 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Virchis has his chance very soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see him climb into the ratings.

I do think the Germans promoting all of the eastern Europeans (heavyweights) would do well to work with ESPN / HBO / Showtime or the networks to build an American fan-base.

7:05 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Absolutely JE...About the only way you can catch most of these guys is through the internet or swap/trade. There is also a monthly series on OLN (Outdoor Life Network) that will be debuting this month or next...(???)

BTW-Great job as always.

*BB*

2:15 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

YOu always get great banter on this piece. Kohl and Sauerland make a ton of money themselves on their own. Sauerland does well with his Boxen network and his correlating website. Kohl has an interesting group and he feels that Chagaev isn't as valuable to him as Dimitrenko or Sinan Samil Sam, no lie. On the hush hush, Chagaev has a eye problem where he doesn't have good vision on uppercuts, that is why he isn't being touted over in Europe, where people like Sam throws uppercuts like he's Buster Douglas (see Sam-Bahktov). JE. As for Dimitrenko and Sam, Sam was up for McCline and Dimitrenko was up for Briggs, Kohl pulled that one, and then Briggs was up for Terry Smith and Dimitrenko was going to either McCline or possibly Chapman, but Kohl pulled the entire project. I thought it would've been a great card.

4:45 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Hmm...Interesting stuff Orltroy...

P.S-Do you think we were that "special enclave of hvy watchers" that JE made reference to? (lol)

;-)

7:47 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

If not, than he has some other posters on another site that we aren't privy to.

8:26 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

So Peter/Toney is offical. This is a very interesting match-up that will possibly destroy Peter. if Peter gets thoroughly schooled in this one and people will still say how raw he is as a fighter (I will be one of those people) and others will ahte on him because he couldn't knock out a miffleweight. If Peter wins, then he will vindicate himself from the Wlad fight. Toney has the least to lose, besides this possibly ending his career if he losses in any fashion possible.

9:47 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

That one took me by surprise a bit guys. (Toney-Peter) It's actually kind of an interesting fight, and two legit top-10 guys. The loser here is going to take a HUGE step backwards. I'm undecided here. If Toney comes in (Yes...IF!) under 230, I think he has a good chance to beat him. However, I'm not so much concerned about the 5'10", as I am the number on his birth certificate (38) and the one on his scale. I think Toney either outboxes him for a convincing decision win, or...Toney gets BLASTED OUT. Yes, Toney is very hard to hit clean with one punch let alone two, and he has a great chin, but he is a 38 yr.old 'blown-up cruiser', and has never been hit quite this hard before.(Although I would say Rahman's power comes close...) Anyways, tough call. I'm scared to say this, but I may be leaning slightly towards Toney. Peter is just all strength, power, and chin...

*As with the last one though, I'm just not going to bet on Toney against any A or B-level hvy if he's over 230. (Actually...I wouldn't bet on a 38 JT against Sergei or Vlad period.)

11:27 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Okay JE...

Chazz Witherspoon.

This was my first time seeing him - and wasn't impressed. At ALL. I thought he BARELY won the fight. I just don't even really see any major long-term potential with this kid guys...

So who are the two most promising young American hvy's guys???

#1. Kevin Johnson
#2. Eddie Chambers

I'm intrigued by Johnson, but he won't be ready for a (legit) world title shot until 2008. Chambers...Has contender written all over him, but not champion I.M.O. From what I have seen so far at least. And he's kind of a small hvy with very moderate power.Malik Scott? Basically the same in that regard, just taller & heavier...

Simply put...I was disappointed in my first glimpse of Marrone and Witherspoon. I know they are still young, especially Marrone, but I just didn't see 'it', or any serious glimpses or hopes of 'it'...

11:38 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I see it more in witherspoon than I do in Marrone, I see Marrone to be a very poor man's Gerry Cooney, all hype and build-up, and no real substance. Just Cooney is better. But just as WHITE. Johnson does have some tools and the size, he is just too confident in his jab and boxing ability, and doesn't go in to get them out of there. Scott is too complacent and feather-fisted, but is a good boxer, and Chmabers is a good prospect as well, but I have him better than Scott. I know you are concerned about the size of Chambers and other smaller heavyweights Brian, but I truly beieve that the days of the dominant big men are over. I see fighters like Chambers, Povetkin, Boytsov (for you Brian), Alekseev, Flores and others to be just superiorly skilled to the bigger guys of the day. So Chambers will cause some problems for those who step in with him. I like a Chambers/Thompson fight to come off soon. I do want to see Thompson in the ring a lot more often because of his age and I want to see if his impressive showing against Guinn can be duplicated.

12:16 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I know I know, you didn't ask for my opinion, but I asnwered before JE could, so there.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

I hear you Troy. But I don't even see Cooney potential in Marrone really. (Cooney wasn't great, but pretty good. And could punch!) As for the small hvy's, I actually pretty much agree. I think that the next wave and (possibly next 'dominant champ') will be very medium-sized. (e.g 6'0"-6'4" 220's to 230's.) Possibly even 2-teens if it's the right guy. However, Chambers does have a couple of 'knocks' on him. He's only about 6'0" or a tad over, and also doesn't have big power. That combination...I'm a bit concerned about. Unless you are as slippery as Byrd, or an absolute warrior like the slightly taller and heavier-hitting Holyfield, I'm a bit concerned about that combo. Anyways...I agree about dead-on with what you said. And it's not that I think this young American group is going to be BAD - it's just that I don't think they'll be that good. And the only young (American) hvy that I have seen so far that I even give a SLIGHT chance of being "Better than good"-- is ironically Kevin Johnson. Like I said, he needs work, and share the exact same concerns as you do (i.e. A bit TOO enamored, reliant, and seemingly 'in love' with his jab) I do like his size, athleticism, and yes...His fast jab. However, even that may need a bit of 'tweaking' perhaps. (He throws it from very low at times)

12:30 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Also, Johnson doesn't have big power, but I think it's adequate. He just hardly ever threw his right in the 2 fights I've seen him in, or anything OTHER than a jab...

* I have his email. Perhaps I'll just send an anonoymous msg/question asking him if he knows or has any other punches in his arsenal, or if he realizes there is a 'strange' second arm and hand on his right side, that perhaps he hasn't seen or is aware of...

Ciao...;-)

*BB*

12:37 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I said Marrone was a poor man's Cooney, not as good and ol' Gerry. But I see your point, as for Chambers I don't expect to be someone like Johnson, but I do see him beating Scott. And yes this group will be medicore unless someone like Johnnie White, Travis kauffman, or eric Fields pan out to be something. White is a former amatuer standout with good speed and power, Kauffman is a former amateur standout that is a pure slugger and needs a lot of fine-tuning, but is on several undercards of big fights. Like Rahman-Toney, Rahman-Maskaev, and antoerh Top-rank card I have forgotten about, and Eric Fields who has been boxing for only two years, and he won the national golden glove both times. He is a pre-madonna and has already lost a mangement deal with Scott Hirsch, and is difficult to work with. His demands are higher than those of McCline, but the kid has talent, but has too many yes men around him.

12:40 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Wow,lots of news in this thread. Toney-Peter??? I'm going out on a limb, Peter will send Toney into the 3rd row. He is raw but he can hit like a ton of bricks and he won't wait and wait and wait like Rahman did.

BTW, you two are indeed my "special enclave of hvy watchers."

7:00 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Cruiser -- agreed about Witherspoon. He had, and I suppose has, a chance to become the leading American prospect. I just didn't see it. He appears tough and willing. He also appears slow and not especially heavy-handed. He was also about 10-12 pounds overweight. Alexander also didn't have much of a problem in hitting him flush.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Mr. Toney said...

Yall are chumps if think Sam Peters can beat Mr. James Toney. JT will KHTFO.

9:08 AM  
Anonymous Tre said...

Wladimir Klitschko will not make it past his first defense. Briggs will stop him within three rounds. Styles make fights.

7:26 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I hope this picture shit works, here goes. If it does you will see a 6'10" Rick Dyer who has lost 20lbs in the last 5 months of training and has actually developed a little muscle tone. I hope he obliterates David Rodriguez.
http://slugout.com/rdyer/dyer-rhodes.jpg

11:00 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Guys -- I have updated entries in the Sam Peter and James Toney blocks.

12:13 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Absolutely agreed on Witherspoon JE. What can I really say, except I was moderately disappointed? Like you said, he did appear to be a bit slow and plodding. He almost came 'barreling' in at times looking a bit like a George Foreman, except - Chazz doesn't have 'Forman-esque' power, or even close. I guess that, and the overall lack of speed were what disappointed me the most. Technical improvements can be made (and he didn't have a very long Am career) but I just didn't see the raw physical tools for potential greatness there. It's a bit questionable if he will even become a GOOD hvy I.M.O. About all I got positive out of that fight, was that he has good size (I thought about 10-12.lbs overweight as well) and appears to-at the very least-have a half-way decent set of whiskers.

*However...Had that been a big-punching (or even moderately) true hvy - I think he may have gotten KNOCKED OUT the other night.

1:18 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

As for Toney-Peter, boy...That is a very dangerous fight to bet on in my opinion. The only way I would wager on that one, is if one (and either!) is a big underdog on the books...

And I don't see that happening...(Nuff said!)

1:20 PM  
Blogger Gary Digital Williams said...

As far as Tony Thompson is concerned, he was almost off the radar in his own area.

The fact that he lost 20 some pounds to get to this point shows his commitment.

He has won 24 straight bouts, but he showed a true ability to step up when the time came. When I interviewed him for my blog before his contest, he sounded very confident.

Before the bout, a lot of people who know boxing in the Washington, DC area were VERY confident Thompson would beat Guinn handily.

It will be interesting to see what will be next for him. We in the DC-Baltimore area would love to see Thompson challenge Hasim Rahman should Rahman get past Maskaev. Thompson was a sparring partner for Rahman at one time.

12:50 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

I truly think Thompson deserves a good payday against one of the top contenders/champs. He has 'paid his dues', showed dedication & desire with his weight, and put in a solid and steady performance to convincingly beat Guinn.

2:17 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I wouldn't say he deserves a title shot after beating Guinn, though that worked for Liakhovich. However, a good fight for Thompson would be Harrison, Chambers, McCline, Whitaker, Austin, Barrett (especially), or guys of that caliber. It could bring him a nice payday and if he wins that fight as well, especially as convincingly, he could garner a title shot.

8:25 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

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9:35 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I would expect that Thompson will get a chance at a good payday. Whether he competes at the top end is hard to say. He has a difficult style to figure out.

9:35 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I see that Tua has signed to fight a club fighter. He'll have to fight 6-8 times within the next 12 months to prove he really wants a top rating. I'm not sure he's willing to put in the work.

9:37 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Gutierrez is very awkward and very strong. he lunges and is hard to hit. He throws hooks off the counter only, and actually employs a defense similar to Winky Wirght, minus the offense and jab. J.D. Chapman just beat Gutierrez for the second time, and Gutierez was the crowd favorite. Should be a tough test for Tua, and I can see Tua losing it, but I doubt it.

10:55 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

BTW J.E. there is a poster who goes by the name of Dr. Z, and he makes a great European prospect list. he sent it to me and he gave the okay if you want to post it. if interested let me know and I'll pass it on.

10:59 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Troy -- I'm definitely interested. I may start putting news releases on this site as well. Do you still have my email address?

12:59 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Troy -- I'm definitely interested. I may start putting news releases on this site as well. Do you still have my email address?

12:59 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Guys...Totally off the subject here, but why is it that your guys names come up in blue font, and mine doesn't??? Hmm...(It's probably 'user-error' on my part. I think I forgot my password to log-in to my 'blogger account'. I'll look into it...)

1:04 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

(Test)

BTW-Who do you think wins between Rahman-Brock? They kind of remind me a bit of each other in ways. Similar age, similar size, and both good...But clearly not great.

P.S-I think Rahman beats Oleg by early to mid-round KO/TKO this time. Oleg has the proverbial 'punchers chance', but I think he's just a bit too old & slow at this point. And he doesn't have the best chin himself. I have Rahman at aprx. minus 2-1. (I was a bit surprised at that...I thought it would be more like 3-1!)

Peace...

1:33 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Alright guys...Still working on the mysterious 'blue font', and am a bit bored.(Waiting for tonight's July 4th festivities to begin. Plenty of good German brew, and an excellent spot/view at my old man's place to watch the fireworks go off in Seattle. You look to one side - and you have the Puget Sound show. The other side - the Lake Union show. Down below? The Bizzack "German beer show"...)

Anyways, I hear you on the Two-ton Tua bit JE. Hell, if he was only fighting 3-4 times a year-and against good opposition-that would be enough for me. But if he's fighting club-fighters, he had better be fighting at least 6 times a year for me to be even mildly impressed. (ala Shannon Briggs.)

2:14 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

J.E. I might have it, but shoot me another if you could please sir. taondrizek@yahoo.com Do you have a blog Cruiser? I was going to start one up a whiile ago, but I have NO computer skills, so I can just log in, I don't even know the name of my blog or what to do to make it better, but my name is in blue and your isn't, ha. Sorry thats all I got. I think Tua is going to take the Briggs road to prominence. There is talk of Hirsch picking Tua up as a fighter.

5:51 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Cruiser -- Our font is blue because we have logged in using our blog identity.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous Frederick said...

This is the best list of heavyweights anywhere. Thanks!!!!!!! I do think Audley Harrison is ranked too high though.

1:57 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Damn straight Fredrick. We've got 'the beat' here big fella...

3:24 PM  
Blogger Simply Boxing said...

Check out the new blog: http://www.simplyboxing.blogspot.com

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When will Boystov fight in America?

9:53 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Answer - probably not anytime soon. The real question is actually - "When is Boytsov going to fight somebody who can fog a mirror?"

i.e. His level of competiton has been pretty dreadful, but they do truly have the 'luxury of time' with him, as he is only 20 years old. I would however, like to see them put him in against some journeymen types who would posess some level of skills, give him different looks, and perhaps even take him the 8 or 10 round distance. I think you will see that fairly soon. For those that haven't seen Boytsov yet, I don't know HOW good he is yet, but he is promising, and has potential. I can emphatically and unequivocally state this much: At this point in time, on skills and natural talent, he absolutely puts our young 20-yr old American 'prospect' Mike Marrone to SHAME. They are both 20, and of somewhat similar size, but it is like NIGHT AND DAY folks...

1:51 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

It is likely wise to move the 20 year-old Boytsov slowly. Heavyweights are far more vulnerable to being blasted out than fighters in other weight classes. A devastating loss early can ruin a career. A couple of years toiling in the clubs won't hurt as long as they put him in with progressively better opposition.

8:53 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Thats jsut it, they haven't put him in with anybody better than the last, besides that one journeymen, I forgot his name. Anyways, Brian, Marrone would be blasted out by Boytsov no problem. I have no quams about moving a prospect slowly, but why don't you pit him against a Marrone for a fight, and then five bums or journeymen, than another half decent fight against a Gavern which is winnable, and then continue against the bums.journeymen. I would LOVE to see Boytsov up against a liv body and to be able to gauge exactly how good Denis is. I for one would have no fear sparring Marrone, hell I'm heading that direction m Monday to check out Ray Austin, Briggs, McCline, Chapman, the Castillo brothers all train and spar. BTW Brian, lay some clams on Austin. Ray didn't spar for any of his last four fights, Beck, Donald etc. Austin is in there with Eliecer and Shannon to help with the southpaw stance and speed. Autin is finally training and finally has the money to train. The most Austin made for a fuight before this one was 50K, he is making 610K and King is letting him keep over 400K of it. I'm not saying that Austin will win, but I give him a fighters chance for one, and Ibragimov is already talking about a title shot with the winner of Klitschko/Briggs.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Yeah, 10-4 on Boytsov guys. As for Austin Troy, the only way I would throw any beans on him is if he was a HUGE underdog, which he probably won't be. I really like Sultan in that fight Troy. Too fast, combos, punches-in-bunches, and power. I think he likely stops Austin...

I won on Stinks tonight. (I had him as a 2-1 underdog) I actually had it a draw, and thought the ref did indeed leave a bit to be desired, but that was kind of the slight 'home-field advantage' I referred to.

*Oh, Skelton outpointed a near-300 pound Danny Williams tonight as well. What a piece of s*it Williams is for coming in that heavy. I used to like the old bloke, but like Toney, he pushed the weight thing to the limit - and then BEYOND.

It looks like the tough-as-old-boots but crude & clubbing 39 yr.old Skelton may be next up for Valuev...

12:37 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Getting back briefly to young Boytsov guys, I would like to see them put him in against a journeymen who has decent skills (esp. defensively) a decent chin, but not very much power. I would like to maybe see him get some rounds, and I just don't know how much he is going to learn & progress against these 'D-level guys'. I mean, at first, I could understand it. He was a teenager, and had less than 10 or 12 pro fights. But I do think it is time to start turning it up a LITTLE bit here...

12:42 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Oh I still have Ibragmiov winning this, but if the odda are big enough and they might not be, I will put a little on Austin in an upset, but I still feel that Ibragimov just might overwhelm Austin. But hey Ray is working with Milton LaCroix and Jeff Mayweather for this fight, it's a start.

2:03 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I listened to the Skelton-Williams bout on the BBC radio (via the net). One can only think that Williams threw this opportunity away by being as fat as a house. His 6'1" frame packed with 288 pounds of blubber means he just didn't care about the outcome. Two things: 1. Williams just wasn't smart to give Skelton a rematch with a title fight looming, and 2. Skelton will prove easy pickings for Valuev.

6:08 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

You absolutely nailed it JE. It was dumb and dumber with Williams here. It was dumb of him to even take the fight, and dumber of him to come in at 288. I used to kind of like that guy, but I'm just sick of his 'fat and fatter' routine. As for Valuev-Skelton...It's another 'good opponent' for Valuev. He (Skelton) is respectable and accomplished enough now to where he is a legit fringe-contender, and has a name. I can't really cry 'foul' over the fight too much, but it does leave me very luke-warm. Valuev may not have an 'easy' time with Skelton (Skelton is a tough & rugged dude) but I do think he likely wins...

P.S- I give Austin a CHANCE, but while the odds may not have to be HUGE as I stated before, they would have to be VERY big I.M.O. I just really like Sultan in that fight, and I think he may win with relative ease perhaps...

8:01 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

I also would like to reiterate something I have been saying for the last year.

The best hvy in the U.K right now, is almost without-a-doubt Roman Greenberg.

;-)

9:06 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Cruiser, I would like to see Grennberg in there with Scott Gammer. Greenberg undoubtedly has more talent, but Gammer is exactly what his last name suggest. It would be a stern test for the youn Israeli.

12:39 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Gammer is a gamer indeed T.O. Word is that he (Greenberg) may soon fight the winner of Vidoz-Virchis, or Skelton. Both very good tests, and suitable 'step-ups'.

4:33 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

This just in:

Look for young Brit hotshot David Haye to get a crack at the cruiserweight title in late 2006, and then move to hvy in 2007.

6:00 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Doesn't Haye go about 200?

6:39 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Yeah, Haye is about 6'3", 25 yrs.old, and goes about 200. He has a real athletic build, and seems to have the frame for a legit move to hvy. He is reportedly starting to have difficulties making 200, and I could easily see him in the 2-teens or possibly even a bit higher.

3:53 AM  
Anonymous The Cruiserweight said...

BTW- An alarming thought...

If given my choice between Gerry Cooney and Tommy Morrison, and any and all of the young current American hvy prospects...

I would go with Cooney and Morrison.

Sad, but true...

*BB*

3:55 AM  
Anonymous The Cruiserweight said...

* I didn't really factor in Calvin Brock in that. While I don't consider him an 'old' hvy, and don't really consider him a 'young' one either, as he is now over-30. (31)

7:42 PM  
Anonymous The Cruiserweight said...

...And even with Brock, it would be a tough call!

;-(

7:43 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

It seems everyone is over 30 now. The only top heavy under 30 right now is Sam Peter. (Though the likes of Dimitrenko, Chambers, Boystov et al. are seemingly on the way).

8:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys think too highly of those europoeans.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Well, time to put Virches in, and leave Vidoz out. (He was just beaten by Virches) Aww...I have been trying to tell you that Sinal Sam and Vidoz ain't much for the last year Orltroy, and it kind of pained me on the latter, as you know how partial I am to Italian hcy's and cruisers. Also, Chagaev won via 8th round TKO over the game journeymen Sprott.

12:45 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

And once again...What is the deal with this Bergeron dude??? This guy is undefeated and 32. Why hasn't this guy at least made an ESPN, HBO B.A.D, or Shobox appearence? I mean, this guy hasn't even gotten a crack at the CANADIAN hvy title! What gives? I have only seen a very short glimpse of him (A tall kind of lanky guy that looks like he could maybe benefit from some weightligting) but he is NOT so bad that you would fear putting him in against a live body of any sorts (he also had a decent amatuer career. The guy can box a little.) nor is he SO good that everyone in the world would want to avoid him at all costs. Why this guy hasn't been at least MANUEVERED into a 6-figure type payday, and exposure, is beyond me...

1:45 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Oh...To the guy above, while I feel there are many good young hvy's coming out of Europe/Russia, the only one I am particuraly "high" on is Denis Boytsov. I have also heard good things about Alex Aleesev as well, but haven't yet seen him.

1:57 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW-Andy Sample??? I've had WINE Sample more difficult to put down than that guy...

1:59 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I would also be interested in seeing if Bergeron really has the goods.

11:06 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Well, in the little I saw of Bergeron, I wouldn't neccessarily say he has "the goods", but he doesn't have "not goods" either! (i.e. he struck me as a decent hvy who can box a little. A shame...Talk about "mismanagement 101".)

As for Virchis - I wish he would have a rematch with the feisty Taras Bidenko. Taras was winning that fight up until the 12th round. But take nothing away from Virches; he's a big hvy, with decent skills & chin, and can PUNCH. However, his one glaring weakness is this; the guy is a bit slow. No doubt. If Greenberg's chin can withstand his power, he will box the snot out of the big guy. His speed of foot and hand would just be too much for him...

10:00 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

* I just caught a quick glimpse of Alex Aleesev Orltroy. He looked good, but I'm afraid he is either going to have to drop a (very) few pounds and fight at 200, or start pumping some iron if he wants to campaign at hvy. He just doesn't have the natural frame/body type of a true hvy. At cruiser he looks very promising, but time to hit the weights if he wants to jump up to the 'big boys'...

3:55 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Alekseev hits incredibly hard for his size and would put Bell to shame. I would like to see him at Cruiser because I love the division. I also wouldn't mind seeing another small heavy succeeding to go along with Boytsov and Povetkin. There is talk of Povetkin taking a big step-up in his next fight. We'll see though. BTW Brian I talked to Brian Minto today and tried and tried to convince him to go down to Cruiser because he hasn't looked good lately. He didn't necessarily agree with me about his performances but he says the step down interest him but isn't in his immediate future.

6:29 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ahh yes...All that hollering I did in the 90's to increase the cruiser limit from 190 to 200 was for guys like Minto. So what does he do? Decides he would rather be a hvy fringe-contender/journeymen. Minto-in a nutshell-has C-level potential at hvy, and B-level at cruiser. But at least at 200 - he has a CHANCE. He could be a good cruiser and a legit contender - or a mediocre heavy and NOT a legit contender...

As for Aleesev Orltroy, he just doesn't LOOK like a hvy to me. I mean, when I first saw Boytsov last year, he was barely over 200-pounds, but I didn't even SUGGEST he aim for cruiserweight. (Unusual for me!) But there was a reason. He was VERY young, and I could tell that he had a true hvy frame. He will be solid in the 2-teens/220's, and has a strong build. Aleesev...Really looks like he lacks the upper-body strength. He also doesn't look like he has the body-type to me. And he's 25 as well, so it's not like he is going to really change much in that regard, taking weighttraining out of the equation. Like I said - I liked what I saw in my brief glimpse, but I see a future 200-pounder...And not a future hvy champ. He's almost built a bit like Vassily Jirov. From what I saw...Minus a Mackie Shilstone style 'body-overhaul', I think David Haye has a better shot at hvy than he does.

* That's not to say that you have to be a 'body beautiful' to be a great hvy. Holmes wasn't...But that was Holmes. And even Povetkin and Sultan Ibragimov look like more true 'medium-sized hvy's' to me, whereas Aleesev would indeed be a small one.

6:50 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW- I just got your email Troy. (Sorry...Haven't checked my email for awhile.)

I'll hit you back...

*BB*

6:51 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Also...

What do you know about this young African/German Gbenga Oulekun? And Dieter and Egan Roth?

(Good grief...Gbenga's level of opposition almost makes Boytsov's look like Hall Of Fame material! lol.)

7:02 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Add Sebastian Kober to that list as well Troy...(???)

7:03 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Damnit, I hate it when I write an entire paragraph and it disappears when i send it. Anyways, here goes again. Kober is a solid fighter with an impressive amatuer pedigree. Kober has won several world tournaments and medals, but has also been the bridesmaid to Povetkin on several occasions. Kober is a little old (27) to really make an incredible impact, but will be a name on the horizon and will probably have a similar or slightly better career than Sinan Samil Sam, who is rumored to be fighting the Mexican heavyweight Saul Montana is a week or so. Alekseev can put some weight on and stay at heavy, but I think he could crack the chins of most anybody at Cruiser, and Boytsov will get bigger and stronger, but hopefully he won't lose his speed. Olukun is raw. he has power and some speed, but lacks some refinement, and needds rounds to help him out. however, I know Sauerland wouldn't waste his money importanting just any African to germany and training him. So I guess there is some potential there. Egon is just as raw as Oloukun and is a powerhouse. He is anxious and over agressive and has fought only poor opposition because he can be outboxed at the moment. Dieter has more fights and is more refined, but he doesn't possess the same power as Egon. I have video of Roth, but its at the ex's and I hope she hasn't tossed all my fight tape. We'll see, if I find it, I'll send you some, via e-mail. Like I have mentioned before, keep your eyes out for Yoan Pablo Hernandez. He is listed on Boxrec as a crusier, but has never fought below 200, but has been close. Hernandez is a national Cuban heavyweight champion and has great size and skill. He currently spars with valuev and Povetkin and is the glittery eye of Sauerland. I expect him to demolish the likes of manuel Charr in the future. Charr is the European version of J.D. Chapman. The other is a very skilled heavy that I like for the fact that Italy needs a future heavyweight fighter because Vidoz' career is done, and Brian you really can get behind this kid. Pianetta is moving along nicely from what I hear, and he is leveling his sparring partners and leaving all unconscious. I like the future of this division.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Cool Orltroy. Good stuff. (BTW-I look forward to seeing Pianetta!) As for Boytsov, as I've said before, I personally don't think he should get any bigger than the 2-teens or 220's. As for Aleeksev - I still don't know about him at hvy Troy. In the brief clip and pics I saw him in, he was about 205, and actually looked like he needed to LOSE about 5 or 10 pounds. He LOOKS like he's about 'maxed-out' at cruiser to me, but you never know. Peace...

8:01 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I here yeah. I just found out Preston Hartzog died. He wasn't going to be anything, in fact he quit boxing, but he was around my age and had heart problems, kind've hits home you know. I'm looking forward to the Terry Smith-Jameel McCline fight.

10:24 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Preston Hertzog...Yes, I definetly know the name. A big white hvy if I'm not mistaken, that possibly played college football. Boy, he passed young...

I just read that Denis Boytsov appears to be facing off against a half-way live body next week Troy. His record is 34-2 w/26 ko's, but the record is VERY misleading. He hasn't beaten ANYBODY to speak of (in fact many of his opponents were 0-0) never fought out of South America, and is a cruiserweight. However, he does have one somewhat notable victory, in which he won the South American (Or Brazilian?) cruiserweight title. If nothing else, he at least appears to be more on the level of a journeymen. Alekseev is also on the card, and he will be fighting at 200. It's on Eurosport. (Damn...I wonder if that channel is available on sattelite on the West Coast. Like JE and I were discussing once, to bad more of these fights aren't available via webcast, with all of the high-speed internet these days. I think there is some untapped potential for a good little 'niche' there.)

11:09 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Brian, ZDF and another German based company airs most of the fights, Problem is, a lot of the live fights are delayed and broadcast similar to the COntender style. meaning, they edit all the fights and basically give the viewers highlights. I have to pirate most of the fights, and haven't been able to get Virchis/Vidoz or Chagaev/Sprott. Yeah I noticed Boytsov's new foe. I could build a record like that if I wanted to. The one thing I give this guy is he has more rounds in him than any of Denis' other opponents. There is no real skill there, but maybe some ring savvy. Boytsov will tear him apart, but hopefully he will be forced to learn a few things and how to handle someone who just doesn't stand right in front of him. Alekseev will do well, and will KO this scrub. But if we can get into the webcast business, we can make some money. Brian I am looking at you to get this started and find a way, and I will help fund it. I finally have a little money to my name. So lets get it going.

11:21 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Tell me more about your webscast idea.

5:35 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Well JE...Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid that the aforementioned post is pretty much where the idea begins and ends. However, I see that our good friend Orltroy - with his youthful exuberance and zealousness - has hereby unduly appointed me as the 21st century "Cyber-Savior" of Boxing. A mantle I feel a tad bit uncomfortable with, yet alternately flattered and intrigued by as well...

"Thinking outside the BOX(ing)..."

To be continued...

;-)

11:30 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW- Agreed on ZDF & Boxen Troy. That kind of stuff is fine & dandy for "The Contender" (A show I like BTW, fire me the hate mail folks...) but not suitable for this fight-fan's taste when it comes to real hardcore viewing. As for Boytsov...I wish he could get some rounds in, but not unlike a young Tyson...His opponents just cant stand up to his speed & power. Now - on the flipside - part of that obviously has to do with the below-average level of opposition he has been facing. I would like to see them put him in against a hvy with a good chin, good defense, and only light-to-moderate punching power for now. This guy here...Doesn't really fit that description quite honestly, but I suppose other than the one other journeymen he's faced in his career, he appears to be a half-notch above the others possibly...

Then again, while Boytsov is kind of a small hvy, this guy here has NEVER fought above 200-pounds before. That could be recipe for (quick!) disaster. Anyways, I do kinda dig this Boytsov kid. He is the only young hvy I have seen that has what I would call true STAR potential...

11:39 PM  
Anonymous The Cruiserweight said...

Okay folks...This thing is getting periously close to 100 posts, and SHATTERING the previous high JE mark. I may have to interject with "random thoughts of The Cruiser", bad humour, thoughts on imported beer and pipe tobacco, and quasi-psuedo psychopharmocologic/psychologic/pugilistic findings and observations of 'The Cruiser', in order to push this bad-boy into triple-digits...

* And if all else fails, there is always the dreaded self-promotion/spam. For instance...

In my shameless effort to market & resurect the new & improved waterbed out of the proverbial abyss and to new heights, the following slogans...

"The new wave(less) of the future"

"Your body is 65% water - why sleep on 93% metal?"

(Hehehe...)

12:31 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Nice waterbed plug there Brian. I really like Povetkin as a star potential as well. And Povetkin already has a large following in Europe, and his come forward and absorb a punch to deliver three more is very fan friendly. I like the kid (ha he's older than me) and feel that him, Haye, Flore, Johnson, Boytsov, Pianetta, Hernandez, and Grano are possibly the future of the division. Yes I said Grano. I loved what I saw from Grano in regards to footwork, headmovement, and stamina.

12:52 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Danny Williams' career isn't over yet. He is reportedly fighting undefeated Welshman Scott Gammer for the British Heavyweight title. Adnan Serin was promised a fight with the loser of Williams/Skelton since Serin was beating Williams before the fight was stopped on a cut. That was a huge sign of things to come for Willaims and his shitty performance against Skelton.

1:07 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Just to thwart Cruiser, I am putting up the 100th post to be a selfish prick. All I have to say about that is, HA!

1:14 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

DAMNIT! ;-(

Well, congrats JE. We've broken the 100-post barrier. (At least I got my waterbed plug in!) As for Gammer, he's nothing to write home about, but Gammer is a 'gamer'. As for "Grano"...Damnit, that Orltroy has one-up on me once again! (These kids nowadays know all about this illegal download and file-swapping stuff JE)

(Does BoxRec and Google search...)

;-)

2:17 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I saw Grano live Cruiser. But I like the barb at me anyways.

2:23 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I never thought we'd get 100 posts -- but the Top 25 lists continue to get the most reaction via email and on Boxing Scene and Fox Sports so it makes sense that it happened here.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous The Cruiserweight said...

Malik Scott just reportedly won another 8 or 10-round decision over a non-descript journeymen. I'm starting to think that with this guys semmingly passive approach to his career, and starting-to-become-alarming lack of 'pop', if Malik were to knock on your front door - you would barely be able to hear him.

(And the guy is a good size hvy as well, at about 6'4" and 230's...)

11:31 PM  
Anonymous the Cruiserweight said...

Okay guys, I just got received an email from a certain middle-aged West Coast trainer with a somewhat 'bouifant' hairdo (initials J.G?) who has told me the following; there is a possible fall date on SHO (Shobox) featuring an all-Pennsylvania showdown of Malik Scott vs. Eddie Chambers. I'll believe it when I see it (or at least receive official confirmation) but if so, it is indeed kind of an interesting fight, that would spring one prospect forward - and the other one BACK. I would lean towards Chambers, but they do appear to be pretty evenly-matched, especially in the power department (slight edge to Chambers there as well though) Chambers - at 210 to 215 - would be giving up about 15-25 lbs, and a few inches in height though. Anyways, I'll let you know if I hear anything further.

1:33 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW- Do you know anything about American prospect David Rodriguez Troy? ( i.e. I know a little about him, but have you ever SEEN him?) I haven't personally, but I hear he's big, relatively fast, and if nothing else...It appears as though he can bang a little. He's 22-0 w 21 KO's, 27 or 28 yrs.old, and from El Paso Texas. If nothing else - I'm a bit intrigued. Let me know at your conv.

1:41 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I have never seen him, but Rick Dyer was suppsoed to fight him last week. Dyer is managed by my boy Stacy Goodson (yes I admit I know Stacy, even though he is an absolute idiot, he means well) Rodriguez has a Texan sized padded record, but apparently had a decent amateur career and can pop. I liked his matchup with Dyer, Rick had lost 33 lbs preparing for this fight. And it was all fat, the 6'10" Dyer actually had abs in his most recent pic. The fight didn't go off because Dyer's wife needed an emergency cesarean section a month early of her due date. Rodriguez could do well to fight someone like Alonzo Butler. It would prove a lot for both men.

9:58 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Guys...I was a bit disappointed to learn who Dimintrinko will be fighting in a few days; Chad Van Sickle. (Who??? Exactly...) Well, Van Sickle is lived most of his adult life in my homestate (WA) and I've seen him fight a few times. He was also a part-time bartender at The Emerald Queen Casino, a place where I caught a brief glimpse of "psychotic greatness", in the form of a 20-0 15 ko's, 25 yr.old Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Chris Byrd. (Guys...I will go to my grave stating that guy - at that time - could have beaten MOST of history's great hvy's. Past - and present.) Anyways, Van Sickle was a C-level cruiserweight, quite frankly. It appears as though he is now trying to make a quick-buck and few 'dead presidents' on the hvy journeymen 'circuit'. ( A few grand for a little 'Columbian Cola' and rent? You get the picture...) I'm a bit bothered and stymied to see that Alex & camp have decided to not even take a (lateral) step, but a backwards one. Van sickle can box a LITTLE, And does appear to have a decent chin (At cruiser) but don't expect this one to last long fellas. This one has all the makings of an early-round blowout.

2:30 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Van Sickle just got robbed in his last fight against Chauncy Welliver. It was a draw, but apparently Van Sickle boxed Welliver's ears off. Anyways, Welliver is facing J.D> Chapman in Spetember, and that fight was brought on by Chauncy calling out Chapman on Boxrec for the past year. Goodson J.D.'s old manager is always on Boxrec and finally got tired of Chauncy and took him in to fight J.D. There is a lot of money being put down bet-wise on this fight on Boxrec. I perosnally have over $500 down between myself and several idiots who think Welliver will knock out J.D. As for Van Sickle and Dimitrenko. What the fuck are they doing? I know that Dimitrenko supposedly was wobbled by Feliz, but Van Sickle. C'mon build Dimitrenko up against real fighters. Hell a fight with Jason Gavern or Rafael Butler would've been better. Dimitrenko is starting to go the Valuev route, and the time it is taking is frustrating. Maybe we'll see Dimitrenko fight a top ten heavyweight by fall of 2009

11:47 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Yeah, I don't know if they are trying to boost his somewhat anemic KO record by fighting a 'blown-up cruiserweight' or what, but it's a bit absurd...

P.S- I'm still trying to figure out/set-up that "bit-torrent/codec" thing. (Christ almighty...I'm just tempted to consult some 'computer guru', and tell him to just figure it out and set the thing up if it's worthwhile. I don't even want to f*ck with it, really...)

* Damn they have a spit-load of fights on there though...

3:57 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

I just saw an amatuer clip and the pro debut of this Tommy Zibowski (Notre Dame) kid. He's not bad. The kid has some decent skills and a little talent & potential. As a matter of fact - I would probably pick him over Mike Marrone guys!

9:33 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I would definitely pick him over Marrone. he throws a nice straight right. I like how the guy was wearing Buckeye gear. Yeah I got that fight as well, at the ex's. I'm telling you, I had a spit load of fights as well. Just they are now lost to a women's vengance. Dumb bitch, i let her have the car, cat, and house. All I want is my goddamn fights, and my grill back. Sorry little rant there.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ohh...No...No...NO! Ohh..."Mr.Bill" (He of the EXTENSIVE Boxing video collection) once stated that he would never trust a woman enough to share the whereabouts of his fight collection, and if she ever did anything to them - he would put an axe through her head. (He kinda freaked me out a bit with the later, but I kinda understand...) This is not good Troy...The grill is disturbing enough, but the fights SACRED. I can attempt to intervene if need be, as evidenced by my voice-greeting - I can kind of be a 'non-threatning smooth-talker' when the need arises. I have found this to be quite effective throughout the years...

11:41 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW- As a small reward for the info and 100+ posts this month, how about a brief "special thanks to Brian Bizzack and Troy Ondrizek" on Boxing Scene/Fox Sports for the top-25 next week/month JE, eh?

;-)

11:45 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Brian, I am at work with her now, and can't even get her to listen when I give her orders for her patients. Oh well, she has to do them anyways. But the computer's hard drive mysteriously has crashed since my departure.

11:51 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

And NO WOMAN will EVER touch my videos again. I had over 120 from Carmine Barone to Kid Gavilan to all of Alexander Povetkin's pro career, at least to this point. Except for the Willie Chapman fight. I have been as nice, and I mean nice as can be. I have paid the bills in entirety for two months, left my washer/Dryer and Grill so she could purchase replacements, and basically gave her her own house now. And I still can't get my fights. When I'm off next and she is on, I'm getting my shit and getting out. Incognito like.

11:55 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Before I had SEEN Mike Marrone, I had built up a pretty good rapport with his young manager Gus Curran. But after I saw him, I stated that I had never been so utterly disappointed in a young American hvy prospect in my LIFE, and 30+ years of closely following the sport (I started VERY young folks!) So, I haven't heard anything from Gus since. But I am still thankful and appreciative of his seeming desire to communicate with me, and have respect for him. I really do. And Marrone - seems like a great kid, and I genuinely hope the best for him.

* BTW- As is/was eveidenced by my uncle -a former cop - one simple rule applies to reffering to another as 'kid'; they HAVE to be at the very least slightly younger than yourself. (Doesn't really matter how much - my uncle who is over-60 - refers to anyone under-60 as a 'kid' - including Boone Kirkman! LOL) But yeah, that one basic simple rule does indeed apply...

("Kids" J.E...Hehehe...;-)

12:00 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ohh...(He WORKS with her???) J.E, this is a bit worse than what I thought!

;-(

12:07 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I didn't start off working with er. She moved over to my hospital after I did. She is a travel nurse now, and is shipping off in a week or so. I don't know exactly, but the whole work thing isn't bad. I just ignore her. But it that whole ignoring thing, wait she's right behind me. Okay, she's gone. I asked about my gihts, and she says the computer is at her dad's, That bodes well for me. Her dad wondered why for the longest time why I was dating her. Her loves her, but said if he ever dating someone like her, she'd be dead and he would be happy in jail. I should've listened to him a long time ago. Her mother is crazy, adn he said you wait and see. Damn, he is a wise man. So, hopefully gentlemen, I can get my fights back. Now it's time for the grill. And Marone disappointed quite a bit as well. He had a decent amateur career, what the fuck did he do to win? He didn't learn the basics.

12:15 AM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Hmm...Well, anyways..(LOL) Yeah, not only did Marrone not learn the basics, but I just don't see the 'raw tools' there, although he did show some heart in that one fight.

P.S- This is perhaps a topic for another place/another time, but I have been involved with a few nurses in the past as well. I like them, but I have sensed that they sometimes have some 'issues'...(Then again, perhaps I do as well! LOL)

12:34 AM  
Blogger orltroy said...

If you haven't heard of Dennis Poyatskia of the Ukraine, you are not alone.

He is the new #1 91k amateur for the Ukraine. The heavyweight had to fight a preliminary match to advance when most others fighters in the 91K division received a bye. In other words Poyatsika was a new fighter with out a reputation.

Dennis stormed through his oppeonts.

Match 1. RSCO Win.

Match 2. Points win, 45-19. 45 points scored?! Very rare

Match 3. KO in round 1.

Match 4. RET Elvin. Elvin came in 2nd at the world amateurs at 91k. Poyatsika forced him to retire!

Match 5. Finals vs Romanchuk. RSCH. Ref stopped contest from head shots in round three! This is a TKO. Romanchuck has never been stopped like this.

Dennis Poyatsika must be one heck of a fighter. Gentlemen, remember this name, what this 21 yo did at the Euro championships this week is AMAZING. He has over 200 career amateur fights, and started at middleweight. Cruiserweight might be his best, but Romanchuk who is a freaking stud, is 6'4", and he stopped him without a problem. Kid hasn't always been this successful, but he bulldozed, literally the entire field. Thought you might like the heads up.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

HOT OF THE PRESSES: Denis Boytsov wins, but is taken the distance for the first-time in his career. He wins a wide 8-round decision in which he dropped his foe in the 2nd stanza, won every round, and hurt his opponent in every round - but was unable to finish him off. This sounds like a good learning experience for D.B quite frankly, and it was good for him to get some rounds in. This guy he was fighting was reportedly pretty slick defensively, and with a pretty good chin and resolve.

Also, cruiserweight Alex Aleesev reportedly won in very impressive fashion, and by 4th round TKO.

"Bizzy out..."

*BB*

P.S-I read about the am. earlier Troy. Pretty impressive sounding indeed...

5:19 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

BTW- I didn't see this fight, but for those wanting to 'get on' young Boytsov's case for being stretched the 8-round distance by a guy who was nothing more than a journeymen, I will say the following: There is not a single great hvy in history that I can think of that didn't have at least one kind of 'ho-hum' and less-than-spectacular showing early in his career.

Nuff said...(And Boytsov is only 20!)

5:27 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

No-one was harrassing you, a little touchy are we? I'm actually happier that Boytsov went the distance instead of just KO'ing his foe. It teaches him a hell of a lot more about himself and the game. Glad to hear the guy was slick defensively, it means that Boytsov was still able to find him. And hurt him, good. Alekseev, always will impress against bums. he will need to move up soon. Word is Povetkin is going to face a ex-champ at the end of September. We'll see who it is. That was a press release issued by his management

9:04 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

YES! I decided to fire off the first blow there Orltroy, as I am a tad bit protective of 'my boy' BOY-tsov! (You want a piece of him? You have to go through Bizzy first...*Grabs tire-iron and molatav cocktail* LOL) "Ex-Champion", eh? Hmm...*The hamster-in-the-wheel starts turning* Boy, that could mean IBA,IBO,WBO,NABF,NABO,USBA,etc,etc,etc, these days. But hmm...Oliver Mccall? Ehh, what do you think? Has the 'Bizzy one' hit one out of the park once again? (Kinda makes sense...He is over-40, still somewhat formidable, has some name value, and it would be keeping in tune with the (somewhat rapid) level of progression.

But it could maybe be a few other guys as well...;-)

9:32 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

I say maybe. McCall is in negoiations with McCline as a fail safe against Krasniqi pulling out. Akinwande is my pick thoughm, and let me tell you why. Akinwande, one loss, a stoppage loss to Lewis. Akinwande tall fighter, Povetkin hasn't faced someone of his height. Akinwande can bang and most important, Akinwande is promoted by Sauerland. Same promoter as Povetkin and the fact that King let McCall go without trying to get every cent from him just menas McCall is basically untouchable. I say ol' Henry, but I could be wrong.

10:04 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ahh...That could be. (Akinwande awkward and 6'7" though. But I suppose he is over-40 now...) Who knows...I'm going out on a limb here, but it could even be Juan Carlos Gomez (Highly doubtful, and a waste of talent) Herbie Hide (Ditto. About 15 years ago I predicted possible greatness for this cruiser/hvy, and unlike Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, and even Ibeabuchi and Klitschkos to an extent, this just in - he didn't deliver! LOL) Anyways, I think Mccall or Akinwande is a pretty good bet. And even though they are both very 'long-in-the-tooth', they would be suitable opponents for A.P at this stage. Without a doubt.

10:28 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

...127 posts? Are you witnessing this spit J.E? Don't be disappointed if there is a slight dip in the activity next month by the way. This is a hvy thread...We have to pace ourselves...(lol)

10:32 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ibragimov weighed in a bit heavy today guys. He weighed in at 232.lbs. About 10 or 12 pounds too much in my opinion. Not ALOT, but...(???)

* Austin weighed in at a very good (for him) 245 or 246.lbs...

10:48 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

Time for another turn of the rumor mill. Povetkin is in negoiations to fight non other then former EBU Champion, dum dum dum, Paolo Vidoz. You should like that one Cruiser

3:30 AM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

I don't really see that as much of a step up.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Ehh...Yeah, luke-warm reaction to that one guys. It's not a 'bad fight' for a young pro like Ibragimov, but Vidoz is really nothing more than a good journeymen. It's not much of a step-up, but at least it's not really a step-down. Kind of a sideways one I guess. Even though the fight doesn't excite me much - I wouldn't give Povetkin & camp a bad time at all for taking it. It's a decent & respectable opponent for him at this stage.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

TYPO: Povetkin. (Not Ibragimov.)

2:06 PM  
Blogger JE Boxing said...

Did you guys notice that Klitschko attempted to work a deal with ABC Sports to air his next defense? It apparently didn't work out but at least it is something that is being considered by the networks. I think a guy like Povetkin could be a star in the US by fighting on a major network. His price tag at this point would likely be in their range. He would then turn into a mega PPV star if he can really come through at crunch time.

4:04 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

This is Povetkin's 9th fight and Vidoz has better experience against top fighters than Livin Castillo and Friday Ahunanya. Granted Vidoz is limited, but is solid. I was very disappointed with his performance against Virchis. Povetkin should be able to dominate Vidoz, but for his 9th fight, by god Povetkin is moving up the ladder similar to Lewis and frazier.

4:47 PM  
Anonymous the cruiserweight said...

Really JE? (That surprises me a bit that was even semi-seriously discussed...) Troy - I would honestly have no problem with Povetkin fighting Vidoz at this stage. I consider him to be on the same general level as Ahuynana, just a different 'look'.A very suitable opponent for a hvy with less than a dozen fights, actually.

* Dimentrinko has predictably annihalated Van Sickle (2nd round KO) Erdei won a decisive decision over Ulrich, Sinal Sam barely beat Saul Montana over 12 close and brutal rounds, cruiser Gregory Drizod won early, as did Dieter Roth. Any questions?

;-)

5:44 PM  
Blogger orltroy said...

12 close and brutal rounds huh, you just got off fightnews didn't you. I like Drozd, he seems to be fashioned after O'neill Bell, but with better technigue. Just don't know if his chin is as good though.

5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HMMMM, Marone wins again.
15-0 People

9:36 PM  
Blogger THUY STRONG said...

OT: These are two of the all time greatest fighters. I think everyone would love a rematch between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. Question guys,is it really possible? Even though Pacquiao is now recuperating from a shoulder injured surgery, there is still a possibility for a Mayweather vs Pacquiao 2 rematch.

10:43 PM  

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